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Zpud
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 Posted - 12 Dec 2004 : 11:42:46
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An interesting question keeps popping into my mind: is Raistlin really Raistlin, or is he in fact Fistandantilus using Raistlin's body?? In Legends it seems that Raistlin sucked out the life energy of Fistandantilus, but we are never told if he really is Raistlin or Fistandantilus simply using his body. I guess the stronger personality of the two is the one who's in control of Raistlin's body, so maybe he's in fact both Raistlin and Fistandantilus struggling for control in his head? What are your thought?
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Haralion
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Posted - 12 Dec 2004 : 13:17:39
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Mine would be that Raistlin killed Fistandantilus after having stolen the bloodstone. I thought it was pretty obvious in the books ,no?
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Sirch
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Posted - 12 Dec 2004 : 17:19:38
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I feel like Raistlin killed Fistandilus and took all the power that Fistandilus had been lending him. His personality still seems to be the dominant one especialy with how he cares for him brother...
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Irda_Wizard
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Posted - 12 Dec 2004 : 22:28:41
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the bloodstone functions much like a sword of life stealing in that it absorbs the persons levels/exp/memories yea they become part of him but raistlin was the man in charge.
spoilerish
raistlin was always careful after he sucked up fistandantilus that when he was in ishtar/the past or around anyone that may have actually seen his face to keep his hood up. he was impersonating fistandatulus and goin back to the future(sory for the pun) to read astinus' book to see what he should watch out for+ what fista did to keep things historically accurate. he knew what he wanted to do but he knew the ripple effect of changing the past could really mess up the future. and if he messed it up too bad he could theoretically unmake himself.
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Tasslehoff
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Posted - 13 Dec 2004 : 13:09:26
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I had problems getting through that spolier part...
"My Uncle Trapspringer did that once."
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Haralion
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Posted - 13 Dec 2004 : 23:03:50
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and i had problems understanding it, i dont think this is quite accurate....
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Sirch
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Posted - 13 Dec 2004 : 23:19:49
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I dont think it was quite so much as to how he should do things rather things he was trying to avoid. His problem was he couldnt escape the cycle...
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Irda_Wizard
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Posted - 14 Dec 2004 : 03:33:36
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ok was tired will clarify the spoiler info i blurted out
After Raistalin used the bloodstone to absorb Fistandantalus he made sure to keep himself hidden from view in areas that people may have known fistandantulus' face. that is why caramon never knew who he was in the arena and when he was in the Ishtar city in puplic he keep his hood up to keep his face in the shadows. He was hiding his true identity to preserve the timeline. Yes he was caught in the cycle somewhat, but was he caught or was he doing wat astinus knew he would have been doing anyway? if u remember he did go back to the future to read what had happened in the past to avoid things (like the time gadget weilding dwarf). but also so he knew what to do to stay the course as it were.
he also knew the ramifications of changing the past too much. the dominos still had to fall in the same order, just with him in the path. he knew the fiery mountain was dropping soon. he knew where the portal to the abyss was. he knew fistan had a great warrior general leading his army. but in the vagueness of astinus history he took liberty to let caramon be that general. he never saw that as a big contradiction. u must realize raistlin could have taken any number of turns away from his path and redirected history. but he realized that if he did so he could very well unmake his own birth. he could have committed suicide from the past in essence.
also he was trying to follow the steps taken or that he needed to take. tho he tried to avoid the historical mistake of the time-artifact weilding dwarf by killin him when he found him he overlooked the fact that tas was in his midst with bupu's possession. and history is not so easily avoided. but i shivered when i read the part when he reached down into himself and drew out the power to hold open the closing portal to the abyss. he held the portal open to go thru it in spite of what history had wrote. thus he in his own way broke the cycle IMO.
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Zpud
Junior Member
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Posted - 14 Dec 2004 : 11:14:40
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I see what you mean with all that, but still we're actually never told if he really is Raistlin. I also think that Raistlin beated Fistandantilus and drained his powers, and yes his personality seems dominant. What bugged me was that all the actions he did in the past were exactly the same as Fistandantilus did, but ofcourse he had to so he wouldn't mess up history like you said Irda...
Also after reading Dragons of Summer Flame he really was Raistlin when he returned, I just thought it was interesting to see your guys' opinions on this...
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Haralion
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Posted - 14 Dec 2004 : 12:33:00
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again im not sure it'S accurate, let me get back to you on this....
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Sirch
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Posted - 14 Dec 2004 : 13:46:18
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Spoilers again:
I dont think the problem ws that he was trying to stay the course of what was happening through time it was that he COULD NOT change what was happening. As Par Salian told Caramon they couldnt change the past just observe, remember one of them tried to stop the cataclysim. All that happened was that Raistlin took the place of Fistandilus, Crysinia of the cleric (cant remember his name), and Caramon took the place of one of his Gladiater buddies. The delema Raistlin was facing was that he couldnt avoid the actions Fistandilus had been taking. What Raistlin didnt understand until near the end was that Kender could change the past because they were not a originaly race on Krynn.
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war!
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Irda_Wizard
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Posted - 16 Dec 2004 : 03:54:07
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spoilerish
Raistlin was the Master of Past and Present and the most powerfull wizard that ever walked the face of Krynn. not Fistandantalus. yes he got a good amount of power from the Fist-miester(he was the most powerfull of his time by far if memory serves me right) and he may have absorbed part of his personality into his own. but rai was the man in charge and rai was the one the undead that guarded the tower revered as "the master". even tho he didnt come in the fashion they expected(when he time traveled into the tower during the vacant(cursed) time) a lich wouldnt even mess with him while he was sleeping. im sory but that alone is enough for me and says volumes in itself. he did fufill the prophecy by walking thru the shoikan(sp?) grove to re-open the black tower in palanthus as the master of past and present was the only one that would be able to do. if u remember right a black robe threw himself onto the gates and cursed (with his own blood flowing down the gates no less)the tower that none shall enter it until the master of past and present came to claim it in his right to power.
i agree with what your saying sirch. he wasnt able to change things tho he tried. its not easy undoing a gods plan no matter how hard ya try or how powerful ya may be.
sidenote not to be nit-picky but haralion i believe the quote from raistlin u use for a signature is 'that is the price i paid for my magic" not pride...may have just been a fatfinger on ur part
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Irda_Wizard
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Posted - 16 Dec 2004 : 04:34:03
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my post count never seems to go up lol
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Haralion
Member
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Posted - 16 Dec 2004 : 05:28:57
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you know what thanks i never ever read it.. man thanks i look a fool... anyway.. remember correctly that fistandantilus had done exactly the same thing before him.....remember: footsteps in the sand.... answer this : what caused zhaman to be skullcap?
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Haralion
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Posted - 16 Dec 2004 : 05:30:20
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should be ok now ...
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Sirch
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Posted - 16 Dec 2004 : 15:35:44
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As long as were on the topic of your signature i think it should look like this:
"That is the price i payed for my magic..."
Spoilers of Doooom or i think so.
In anycase Raistling was no doubt in my mind Raistlin, Fistandilus was powerful but Raistlin even more so therefor i beleive he took the power. If the bloodstone took peoples personalities then Fistandilus would have been a mixture of everyone of his apprentices. All Raistlin did until Skullcap/Zhamon was replace Fistandilus with himself etc.
And even at Zhamon he couldnt change the fact that the place exploded he only managed to get through the portal, and that is how he changed history not through his path on the way to Skullcap...
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Is he Raistlin or is he Fistandantilus???
