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Drayden
Starting Member
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 Posted - 18 Jun 2007 : 04:35:29
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Forgive me if im mistaken but should all 5 heads be spewing flames?
Isn't Red fire, green poison, blue lightning, white ice, and black acid? Or is it because its takhisis. |
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tw_fester
Senior Member
Canada
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Posted - 18 Jun 2007 : 04:46:04
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I started this line of questioning in the thread dealing with the "production stills". 
On the Nexus site, Ms. Weis stated that it was for simplification that this was done. Most peeps would not catch it (obviously we did, you,me and at least a dozen other hard core fans) and it would not work well on the screen with the subtly needed between the diferent colours for the different breath weapons.
As much as we may not like it, we'll have to deal with it if we want non-DL'ers to watch the flick  (so that we can have sequel )
Besides...that dagger was Flint's |
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Sirch
Moderator
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Posted - 18 Jun 2007 : 05:07:28
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Just hope that Khisanth uses an acid breathe weapon.
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james
Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - 18 Jun 2007 : 07:03:07
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If that happened, I think I would laugh until i cried, and then it would turn into sobs of grief. I cry out "WHY IS THE WORLD SO CRUEL TO ME?!?!?!?!" and then my girlfriend would bitch slap me and tell me to get the puck over it, it just a stupid cartoon.
Then I'd accept my Oscar.
I noticed it too, and as much as Im a fan of detail in the DL world, all 5 heads breathing fire doesn't bother me. In fact I'm a little glad they did it the way they did. Shook my cage a bit and made me think about the goddess in a whole new light. She can do whatever she wants in her relm. Where the chromatic dragons are bound to those breath weapons, she isn't. Simply based on the fact that she isn't a REAL dragon. Yes she takes the form of a 5 headed one, but it doesn't mean she follows the same rules.
Thats a long way of answering your question. In my opinon, its just because it is Takhisis. In reality, they don't have the time or budget to put that much detail into a clip that only lasts a few seconds. |
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Priest4hire
Junior Member
Canada
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Posted - 18 Jun 2007 : 08:46:34
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Here, I'll just be lazy and copy myself:
I think the 5 heads breathing fire is just the result of practical issues. Having only one head breathing would look unimpressive and having each head producing a different breath weapon would muddle the image to no end. It would be a visual mess. Especially since certain elements would tend to get lost, such as the green head's gas. It might be possible to pull off somehow but going all fire is much safer and it looks good. Not to mention it doesn't actually affect anything of import.
I'll add that if each head had a different target separated by some space it would be possible if overly busy. But all heads firing at a single target each with a different breath weapon would tend to be a mess.
"There is no particular mystery in animation... it's really very simple, and like anything that is simple, it is about the hardest thing in the world to do." - Bill Tytla |
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gnarledrose
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 18 Jun 2007 : 18:04:35
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*Opens mouth, closes it*
*Takes a deep breath*
I... don't mean to sound noobtastic here, but... when in DoAT does Takhisis and Paladine *literally* fight and describe the aforementioned controversial still?
With that out of the way...
Doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would. Yeah, all five breath weapons being represented would be cool, but all the same, so is five fire-breathing heads. I'm torn between the hardcore Lance-fan "That's not right!" and the equally-hardcore generic fantasy fan "That's really kinda neat."
"We'll have to go out through the kitchen."
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james
Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - 18 Jun 2007 : 18:10:49
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they are not quoting the books exactly. I think it will be one of those history building things to help people who are to to Krynn become more familiar with why they are at war.
or it could be when Raistling discovers two constalations to be missing... |
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Sirch
Moderator
USA
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Posted - 18 Jun 2007 : 18:23:30
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I wouldn't be worried about that screenshot, Takhisis is a god and she can do what she wants. I might have a seizure if I see Khisanth or one of the other dragons breathing fire though. =\
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smax140
Member
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Posted - 18 Jun 2007 : 19:18:08
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| 5 heads breathing fire is ok like James said Its The Dark Queen she could also breath 5 cones of cold, 5 chlorine gas clouds or whatever she s the boss but it wouldve been cool to see all 5 if it were possible wo muddling the shot up |
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Shade0837
New Member
USA
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Posted - 18 Jun 2007 : 21:37:14
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Ok, I guess I will pop in my 2cents.
I do kind of agree that have all 5 heads breathing fire does not bother me too much (even thought I can think of a few cool ways to do it the other way with out the visual problems). Like it has been say She is a Goddess and can do what She wants.
However I do have 2 problems with a few comments in this topic:
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I wouldn't be worried about that screenshot, Takhisis is a god and she can do what she wants. I might have a seizure if I see Khisanth or one of the other dragons breathing fire though. =\
Sirch this does open the question:
"Will having different Color Dragons using Non-Fire Breath weapons Confuse the General Public Watching the Movie?"
Do Most of the General Public only recognize Dragon's that breath ONLY Fire? (My personal opinion is "Yes". Ergo All Dragons will breath Fire) What does everyone else think?
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I think it will be one of those history building things to help people who are new to Krynn become more familiar with why they are at war.
Does anyone think that people would have not read the books are going to watch/buy the movie? (my answer "Not really". Considering the Media BLITZ that has been pouring out....(how often do we get Updates HERE?) I guess it seems to me more like They are trying to sweep it under a rug somewhere like the "Orginal Fantastic Four Movie".)
Give me some hope here, what is your thoughts?
It has been said that the one most susceptible to an illusion is often the one who has cast it, for he of all people MUST believe in its worth" |
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tonkatough
Member
Australia
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Posted - 18 Jun 2007 : 22:47:40
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God damn it! I just realised something! This is Bollocks! They've pulled the wool over our eyes again. I'm so sick of this! What's the go with Margaret clearly stating that Takhisis had to be animated with all heads breathing fire because to do it correctly would be to difficult to animate and be visually messy and so now everyone is scrounging around for an excuse "but Takhisis is a God, she can breath what ever she likes."
If it's not in the Monster Manual then it's not acceptable-period. Do not mess with the rules! Plus Takhisis is Tiamat and Tiamat has already been animated which means Takhisis has already been animated from a little cartoon from the 80's. So damn it! If a saturday morning cartoon from over twenty years ago can animate Timat's correct breath weapons twenty years ago then there is no excuse why the animators in this new movie can't do it too.
The link below is some footage of Tiamat using her correct breath weapons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuEfAOEKvbI
Come on people, we got to wise up and be more vigilant or all these people involved in the movie are gonna make us look like fools.
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james
Advanced Member
Canada
2800 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2007 : 23:14:25
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tonka, those were the LAMEST breath weapons ever. I think I could sneeze more powerful than that.
The screeshot we see fire all over the place. Not some little beams I had to watch 8 times to see if all 5 heads actually breath (still not entirely sure...). When a Goddess wants to kick some ass, its not going to throw a snot ball at you. Its going to incinerate your ass nuclear BBQ style.
Normally I kind of half heartedly agree with you. But I think you're blowing this one out of proportion. I mean its not like Tanis has Gold skin, and raistlin is a babe because hollywood neeeds more positive women role models. That would be something to get steamed about. Same with crap background art. But I honestly believe that the end result will be ALOT different then what they are presenting us with here.
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Culture20
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Posted - 19 Jun 2007 : 00:02:32
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Originally posted by tonkatough
an excuse "but Takhisis is a God, she can breath what ever she likes."
If it's not in the Monster Manual then it's not acceptable-period. Do not mess with the rules!
Okay, then, Takhisis would then just do five attacks for 1-1000 each where she "rolls" d100, then muliplies it by a number between 1 and 10 at her choice. None of them are breath weapons, or even physical attacks; she just does damage by willing it. It'd be silly for her to battle paladine with breath weapons unless she were attacking for effect (kind of like shaking her fist angrily at him). ;)
I do agree that Takhisis _should_ be using 5 different breaths though, if only to prevent people from getting confuzed later when they see all the acid, gas, and lightning getting thrown around by the other dragons. They could have done it by having her start with lightning from a distance, then fire, cold, acid as she closed, then start with gas right next to Paladine, and then let loose with all of them in an ugly mess. Eh, what do I know though, I'm a computer geek, not a film maker. [edit and realistically, I suppose cold and fire at the _same_ time would cancel out, so less effective)]
And yes, I'm back (hard for me to break a habit). I am _so_ glad that the powers that be are saying the release of the stills was a PR mixup. Even if it wasn't it means they're going to work feverishly to correct it (it's not like they said "don't like it? suck rocks! we're aiming for the lowest common denominator!"). |
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Priest4hire
Junior Member
Canada
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Posted - 19 Jun 2007 : 00:07:46
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That video just proves my point. The dragon never fires more than three breath weapons at a time: fire, ice, and lighting. In that shot each head is pointed in a different direction and on a different plane. And when the red head breaths fire he completely obscures the green head. Not only that but the only time the dragon actually breaths on a target on-screen it's the red head alone doing it.
That pretty much confirms it. Multiple heads with different breath weapons simultaneously only if they have different targets. Although thinking about it, maybe in a top down shot if you separated the heads as much as possible. It would look unnatural but it might offer enough separation to pull it off. But even then it would bet all muddled up where it meets the single target.
"There is no particular mystery in animation... it's really very simple, and like anything that is simple, it is about the hardest thing in the world to do." - Bill Tytla |
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tonkatough
Member
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Posted - 19 Jun 2007 : 00:21:06
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You're right James and I am being a bit extreme but that's just me.
It's not so much the breath weapon that's the issue for me but the compromises being taken from the changes to the book and the style of art and how each thing shown us is stated as exciting and we are suppose to be excited. Or how they are always making excuses. It's really, really getting up my goat so hard that the poor little fellow just had his eyeballs pop out of his head.
As for the breath weapon itself I can live with it and seeing it is only a couple of a seconds of the opening prelude, so what?
And james when you put it as getting your arse incinerated nuclear BBQ style you make it sound so exciting. those enviromental particles things would make that look awesome.
But still they got the particle things so how hard would it be to have Paladine gased, flame grilled, snap frozen and melted by acid then just to get the job done right, ripped to shreds by claws and have his head bitten off five times? On second thoughts the cost and man power to do that would blow out the budget.
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Brutalgullydorf
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Posted - 19 Jun 2007 : 00:25:14
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Priest you said what i was gonna say that only 3 of the heads fire and only 2 at a time. The last shot and biggest one is taken by the Red one. Now regardless of it being OLD it was done good for it's time as far as each head having it's own weapon. I dont got alot of D&D books for refernce jus my knowledge of when i used to play and books i have read. my question is if the green head shot out poisnous gas wouldnt it jus burn up in the air like a kinda fireball. not an explosion but jus a sudden fireball. I ask cuz maybe this is why the Green head and Red head dont shoot at the same time and possibly the same for the Black.
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Takhisis breathing fire.
